Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)
On 9/16/22 12:05 AM, Maude Summerside wrote:
>
> On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the
> >>> work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money.
> >>
> >> It's a very tricky subject to propose to start paying (some?) people
> >> in what was always a volunteer project, to do the same work that
> >> others do voluntarily. It has been proposed before, and it did not
> >> go down well. Search for "dunc tank debian" to read about that.
> >>
> >> More recently (since 2014), the Debian LTS effort started paying
> >> people to upload fixed Debian packages past the end of the normal
> >> release lifetime. This is organised by private company Freexian who
> >> accept sponsorship funds and pay developers to do this work for
> >> Debian, not out of Debian's own funds.
> >>
> >> https://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ
> >>
> >> They do LTS, ELTS and some other limited scope efforts.
> >>
> >> If you do use Debian LTS maybe you could consider contributing to
> >> this? Though I would point out:
> >>
> >> - It's not going to give you the right to tell people what to work
> >> on, how to do it, govern their timescales etc. Sponsors are paying
> >> for a certain amount of developer time per month, but Freexian and
> >> those developers decide what to work on and how to do it.
> >>
> >> - At the moment the minimum contribution is €255/year.
> >>
> >> It could also be interesting to explore individual packaging teams
> >> within Debian having Patreon and/or ko-fi accounts or similar.
> >>
> >> Broadly though, none of these small scale funding ideas are ever
> >> going to give you the kind of service you apparently seem to want:
> >> to be able to force the developers to work on what you want them to
> >> work on, in the way you want them to work on it. I can only ever see
> >> that happening in situations where you pay much much more for a
> >> bespoke solution.
> >
> > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how to fix?
> > I don't think you really understand my use case very well.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
> Can you stop complaining and take a minute to go read the code of
> conduct, rules regarding the Debian mailing list.
> There's no reason to do dual posting.
>
> WtF have you written myself a personal mail ?
I think I did, but it was just an oversight. I am aware
of the Code of Conduct, and it also says everyone is
to presume good intentions, as far as possible. When
I noticed I forgot to reply to list, I sent the message
again, I think with a little more detail, to the list also,
where I should have sent the message in the first place.
BTW, just so everyone is aware, the message I sent
is on debian-user, and it is an interesting story about
a Debian bug and I don't think it was against the Code
of Conduct.
Best regards,
Chuck
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