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Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu



On 09/15/2020 06:50 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:
Brian writes:
On Mon 14 Sep 2020 at 08:12:50 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

The Debian desktop environment installs task-desktop. This package
recommends desktop task packages. task-gnome-desktop is the first one
listed, so it will be the one installed. In that sense, the installer
does know what the default is.

Suppose a user installs with base-installer/install-recommends set to
false. With the Debian desktop environment being the only option ticked,
a user would not install task-gnome-desktop but would get xorg and
enough software to use X. The suggested scheme would not cater for this.

When during a Debian install a random user gets in front of the tasksel
dialog, they probably don't know about this complex behaviour.  I think
we should make this dialog less ambiguous to let users know what boxes
to check according to what they want.

Do you think the behaviour "without Recommends" should be an option
presented to the user?

No. On the basis of little evidence, I think naive users need software
installed that offers its full functionality.

Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would:
   1. remove the check-box.
   2. rephrase it as "Chose a Debian desktop environment".
   3. add a default check by GNOME.

The more sophisticated
users who yearn after simplicity can easily find out how to prevent
Recommends from being installed.

"easily" ???
Probably after first time you have success ;/


But also bear in mind that not so many people have actually run the
debian-installer itself without Recommended packages being installed.
I certainly never have (I don't know how to do it), even though at
one time I ran an already installed system in that manner. Perhaps
a "show of hands" is in order. Is it pain-free?

Cheers,
David.






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