Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
On Friday 05 July 2019 02:56:39 Reco wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 09:42:11PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 22:05:09 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 08:56:45PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 20:01 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > > On Thu 04 Jul 2019 at 19:18:13 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd also consider exterminating avahi with extreme
> > > > > > prejudice, i.e. 'apt
> > > > > > purge avahi-daemon'. Really simplifies things. Not
> > > > > > installing this software in the first place works even
> > > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gene Heskett can follow this advice if he wishes. It is to be
> > > > > hoped that every other user ignores it.
>
> Oh, it seems that I've touched a nerve. My apologies just in case.
>
> > > > Why? It's advice I decided for myself 10 or more years ago after
> > > > seeing constant reports of zeroconf bugs in various OSes and
> > > > kit, and realising that sort of thing was also running on my
> > > > Linux machines. The whole idea of automagically setting up
> > > > networks just sounds like a problem and security hole waiting to
> > > > happen. So I decided to nuke it from orbit, it was the only safe
> > > > thing to do.
> > >
> > > As always, all generalizations suck. Some do avahi, others don't
> > > (full disclosure: I am in the "don't" camp, as many may have
> > > guessed :-)
> >
> > If nobody objects I would like to reword that statement. Many, many
> > users will have avahi-daemon on their systems; a few won't.
>
> [1] says that half of the Debian users participating in popcon have
> avahi-daemon installed. Your assertion that "don't camp" is a minority
> is off. That's a first.
>
> Second, contrary to the popular thinking here, the world does not
> start and does not end with GNOME and x86 along with the CUPS
> installed. And while avahi enhances CUPS' usability indeed, it has
> little usefulness otherwise.
>
I have a networkable printer. Avahi has not in a decade or more ever
found anything usefull. I've been trying to see it do something usefull,
but it hasn't been anything but an excedrin headache here. If it ever
had a legit use, I've not observed it do anything but break networking
by feeding bogus info into the system. That its very good at.
> Third, whatever good avahi does is limited to a single L2 network
> segment by the very definition of how it works. This particular
> problem shows it BTW.
>
> > The idea
> > that
> >
> > > Not installing this software in the first place works even
> > > better.
> >
> > requires clarification.
>
> Easy. You don't understand what the software does (Gene's here), or
> you don't need its functions (I'm here) - you just do not install it.
> You don't fight with it, you don't try to "disable" it in myriad ways,
> and you do not build assorted kludges alongside of it - you do not
> install it, simple as that.
>
Its not quite that simple on the arm's. You do the install there by
dd'ing the complete filesystem image to the boot media, usually a u-sd,
so you get that crap regardless and must physically remove it before a
staticly defined, hosts file based network that has not had a
functioning dhcpd server even in my original 1998 install of red hat 5.0
will work.
>
> [1] https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=avahi
>
> Reco
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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