Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit :
What is needed is inaction,
Huh.... I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is weird! Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is better". Systemd is excessive, yes. But inaction is never a good thing, no software is finished. There is always a way to enhance it, or to do things in a better way. Systemd tried, and convinced a lot of people (not me), so it was adopted by almost all distros, despite the problems it have.
what there was before systemd was fine. Acting is the problem.
Then, why not forking whatever was fine for you, and stop annoying people? Stop infringing the rules of this mailing list (because, I really doubt that insulting people is allowed)? You are enough systemd haters around to be able to maintain sysvinit, I don't doubt it. But, of course, it's easier to whine on a user list, annoying everyone which do not share your exact point of view, than acting yourself. With all mails on systemd's war, I am sure that there was enough time to do that, if people had actually acted.
Oh... and, there *are* some people which acts. I do not like the systemd's direction, but I do think one of it's features is nice (the unit system). And I have discovered (maybe with a mail on this list? Or random searches? Not sure) that some people do act: there is uselessd, which is an alternative which removes lot of "features" of systemd, to go back to non-bloated software. There is also eudev, by gentoo, destined to replace udev. The same distro which produces openrc IIRC.
See? There *are* alternatives (yes, I have seen some mails saying in title that there are no alternatives. I don't mind, I know it's wrong, because gentoo does not use systemd). So, stop whining, move! And if you want to stay on pure debian, I don't doubt people will be interested if someone packages those projects into Debian.