On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 09:53:52AM +0200, Aaron Sowry wrote: > On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 17:25 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > If lsb-core is going to pull in default-mta as the preferred option, then > > arguably lsb-invalid-mta shouldn't exist at all > I agree. None of the suggested solutions address the crontab issue, and > there may be other similar problems we haven't found yet. No, you aren't agreeing. I'm saying that *either* lsb-core should prefer lsb-invalid-mta, *or* lsb-invalid-mta should not exist. lsb-invalid-mta, without a Provides: mail-transport-agent, *does* satisfy the cron issue. > I realise that Ubuntu perceives this as a problem, and it seems to stem > from the fact that Debian's default sendmail client implementation > (exim4) is intimately tied to the server component. But Debian != > Ubuntu, and I agree with Debian's definition that an MTA should consist > of both server and client components. Debian has no definition of an MTA that says anything about "server and client components". Also, lsb-invalid-mta may have originated in Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean Ubuntu has different requirements from Debian here. The lsb-invalid-mta package as implemented is buggy with respect to *both* distributions, for the reason I described. > That said, there is no reason why a simple sendmail client cannot be > provided separately by those distributions which don't want to have to > install a server - is this a completely unreasonable course of action for > Canonical to take? For the record, this is not a decision for Canonical to take, it is a decision to be made by the Ubuntu community. And no, this would not solve the problem that lsb-invalid-mta was introduced to solve, which is that *you can't have a working mta without prompting the user for configuration*. There are plenty of implementations of mail-transport-agent in Debian and Ubuntu which don't require running a daemon (nullmailer, ssmtp), but if you expect to use them to send mail, you still need them to be configured, and that's what this package is intended to avoid. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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