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Bug#678065: marked as done (debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst)

Your message dated Sun, 16 May 2021 15:55:20 +0100
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has caused the Debian Bug report #678065,
regarding debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
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Package: debian-cd
Version: 3.1.8
Severity: wishlist

Hello,

Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup. This
means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end
up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to
show braille or talk to them. brltty was explicitly removed in version
3.1.0 because it pulls libicu, resulting to 5MiB increase. The rationale
was that it was not deemed the size for the little userbase. Some blind
users have complained about espeakup, which is about the same story
(pulling espeak etc.), so I'm recording the request here, in case that
could be reconsidered.

Samuel

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On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 03:40:25PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Hey Samuel!
>
>Sorry for not responding earlier, I've been swamped with other
>things. :-/
>
>On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:43:39PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>Samuel Thibault, le sam. 27 mars 2021 17:24:25 +0100, a ecrit:
>>> Samuel wrote:
>>> > Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup.. This
>>> > means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end
>>> > up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to
>>> > show braille or talk to them.
>>> 
>>> Steve McIntyre, le mar. 26 juin 2012 17:28:35 +0100, a ecrit:
>>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> > >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit :
>>> > >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB:
>>> > >> ...
>>> > >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068
>>> > >
>>> > >That's the main culprit and was the reason why
>>> > >FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see
>>> > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the
>>> > >effect has just worsened.
>>> > 
>>> > Yup, it's only going to get worse over time AFAICS.
>>> 
>>> Can we reconsider this for bullseye? Nowadays the netinst image already
>>> includes libicu, so adding brltty and espeakup won't add much to the
>>> image size. We have had at least one user who was really surprised
>>> that he didn't get braille&speech working in the installed system only
>>> because he didn't have Internet available because of missing firmware.
>>> Telling people to download the DVD-1 image for that case is not going to
>>> fly :)
>
>I've just moved espeakup, brltty and alsa-utils from the "forcd1" config
>into tools/generate_di+k_list so they'll get pulled in for every build
>including the netinst. Let's see how much of a size difference that makes.

This morning's bullseye build for amd64:

-rw-r--r-- 1 debian-cd debian-cd 377487360 May 16 08:56 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso

and the build I've just triggered by hand:

-rw-r--r-- 1 debian-cd debian-cd 395313152 May 16 14:45 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso

the difference is just under 18MB for the netinst, I think that's
OK. All the other larger images won't see any change here.

Marking this bug as closed now, as the change is in git and we're
using it for builds now.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
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